Trying for Good Government in SC

For the mayor of the city of Cayce, SC, governing hasn’t been easy. There’s been a lot of controversy. But Mayor Elise Partin is optimistic and thinks good government will win out.

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David Martin: This is the good government show.

Elise Partin: I believe that good governance and good government does exist, and it exists where the citizens are involved and I love municipal government. I love what happens in cities. It is beautiful and you can touch it and see it and feel it and know that you’re making a difference for people. There’s so much that we do at the municipal level that affects our quality of life, including our parks, and being able to enjoy our gorgeous river Riverwalk to be safe, to be active in and get out in our city.

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So many people get into public service for the right reasons. Most of the time, it’s a desire to serve and give back to their city or their county or the project they’re passionate about. Things like clean water, maintaining our national parks, making their city better, or just wanting to help serve the place where they came from. I’m inspired.

I hope you are too. We already have a great lineup of guests and more will be joining us. Thanks for listening and being interested in good government. This has never been a political show and it may be a cliché, but good government has never been more important. It’s out there. We just have to look and keep listening. On our first show, the new season, you’re going to hear about a mayor working to deliver good government.

Being mayor isn’t always easy in the city of Cayce, South Carolina. The mayor says what she’s trying to do is continue to provide good government. But that hasn’t been simple. Welcome to the good government show. I’m Dave Martin. First, help us share the message of good government by liking us and sharing us where we are. On Facebook, x YouTube, Instagram and Blue Sky.

Please share a show with your friends and reviews right here where you’re listening and join our Good Government Show community. Check out our website for the link. Coming up, you’re going to hear my conversation with Elise Partin. She’s the mayor of Cayce, South Carolina. This is a city of about 14,000 residents near the state capitals Columbia. Mayor Partin has been in the job for over 16 years, but lately it’s gotten rough.

And we talked about that. We discussed how you can manage to be the mayor amid many distractions. So you’re going to hear from a mayor and what it’s like to be in the middle of controversy. But it wasn’t just trouble we discussed. We talked about how water management issues have been an area she’s worked on. We talked about how a brownfield designation will allow the city to renovate sections of the city’s downtown.

And that’s good government. One thing in here say is that local government has a lot of experts. She said things like sidewalks and parks. They don’t just happen. City workers, city employees. They have to think long term, and they have to plan and make sure they create forward thinking projects. And that’s good government. So coming up, my conversation with Cayce, South Carolina mayor Elise Partin.

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Welcome to the Good Government show. I have with me at least Partin, who is the mayor of Cayce, South Carolina. Welcome to good government, Joe.

Elise Partin: Thank you for having me.

David Martin: Thank you. We talked a little bit and you said, oh, good government show. I like that idea. Yeah, we don’t have that in my city. I think it’s how you started. And I was reading a little bit about you. And I think here is a headline I want to read. A Tumultuous year for the government of Casey continues.

What’s going on?

Elise Partin: Well, you know, I honestly, I wouldn’t want to spend time on your show talking about that. There there is tumultuous times, and we see that all across the nation. Right? People have differences of opinions. I’ll continue to stand up for integrity, stand up for our staffs. They do an amazing job. And to stand up for our citizens so that they know what’s going on, and they have an opportunity to participate in our city.

I think good governance is exactly what I’ve been doing since I’ve been elected. I’ve been mayor for 16 years, and it’s really just been recently that we’ve had some issues. You know, we have a lot to be proud of in our city, and that’s what I want citizens to think about and to remember all the good that we can do together to take care of our city.

David Martin: So we talked a little bit, you know, yesterday when we met and you talked about some of the challenges. I mean, how does a mayor, how does someone in government manage through tumultuous times?

Elise Partin: So it’s a it’s a great question. You know, one of my mentors was Mayor Riley. The mayor of Charleston, South Carolina. He was mayor for a very long time. I grew up in Charleston, and my mother worked with him almost his entire career. So I got to see some good examples of government. But really what I got to see was that there were things like parks and sidewalks, knowing that those things don’t just happen, that somebody has to think those things through.

So through my mother, knowing the director of transportation and the director of parks, it’s really amazing what happens at the local government, because you do have really great expertise in parks and, planning and finance and, and so as a mayor, to be able to support those folks, those parts of our team who are doing such excellent work to look out for our citizens that that matters.

And the other thing for mayors is to stay connected to our citizens, to make sure that they know what’s going on. And that’s that’s what I’ve done since I’ve become mayor.

David Martin: How do you block out the noise? How do you block out the distractions?

Elise Partin: Oh that’s hard. And I don’t know that I’ve done such a great job of it lately. Okay? You know, it’s heartbreaking to see work that, I’ve built up with various councils through the last decade and a half. It’s it’s tough to see some of that, be changed, to see some, a lot of negative impact on our staff.

But I, I believe that good governance and good government does exist, and it exists where the citizens are involved. When I first got in, I embedded so many different ways for our citizens to be involved more than they ever had been. That, I believe, has been our success and will continue to be our success.

David Martin: Well, when you have when you have buy in and you have more involvement, yes, than people, I think on, on some level go, oh, this isn’t as easy as I thought. Oh, this is harder than I thought. Oh, you mean you can’t just, you know, sign a document and it all goes well?

Elise Partin: Right, right, right. Yeah, definitely a you know, a good city is built with the voices of its citizens and and having those people to be involved and to realize that we have a city with people that have different opinions. How do we how do we come together? And we’ve done that in a number of different ways.

David Martin: Tell me, a little bit about Casey. Where are you in South Carolina and what what are you dealing with?

Elise Partin: Yeah, thanks. So we are right across the river from the capital of Columbia, South Carolina. So we’re in the middle of the state. Okay. Our city was born out of the banks of the Congaree River. And, I understand that I am not the first female leader of our area. I’m the first female leader of our city.

But, in the area, when it was, inhabited with indigenous citizens, they had a female leader. I am told by our museum director. Really? Who led them?

David Martin: Yes. So you’re carrying out a proud tradition. All right. What do you what are your biggest challenges in Casey?

Elise Partin: Well, stormwater is a big one, right? You know, how do we deal with infrastructure that was built in the 40s? In the 50s that, was built in times when we didn’t think about stormwater. We just thought we could fill in, you know, these these little neighborhood ponds, and it would be fine. How do we go back and fix that infrastructure?

And so we’ve been trying to coordinate the solution to that problem in our city.

David Martin: I read that you had a flooding issue last year, and you personally had to go door to door to get people to evacuate. How hard is that? How hard a job is that?

Elise Partin: Well, I didn’t personally go door to door. I did do some. I did a whole lot of connecting. I was in the neighborhood. But we have an amazing, department of our police department and our fire department, and they were out there. I was out there with them as they were doing rescues from people in their homes and getting them out of the high flooded zones, an entire family.

David Martin: How do you, as mayor, make that decision to tell people to evacuate?

Elise Partin: Well, it’s never done lightly, ever. We had a time many years before where we had to ask people to stay home and not get on the roads because the roads were flooded. Same thing. Right? You know, but you you take into account what’s. What do we know? What’s the data telling us? Is the river rising?

How quickly is it rising? What do we need to do to help people to make informed decisions? We never made anybody leave. We would never do that. That is their home. That is their right. But we were there to provide a safe way out if they wanted it and need it.

David Martin: And you know, when you when you see citizens and say, here’s what’s going on, your neighborhood is flooding. Yes, it’s going to flood and it’s going to get worse. Yes. That must be a particularly hard thing to do.

Elise Partin: It’s it’s scary. Yeah. It’s scary to see people’s homes end up underwater. It’s certainly concerning. I mean, we we saw three generations of one family that our, our fire department helped to to get out safely.

David Martin: You said you’ve been mayor for 16 years.

Elise Partin: 16 years? Yes.

David Martin: What good government have you brought to your city prior to the more recent tumult?

Elise Partin: A whole lot. So, our citizens have a lot to be proud of that one of the things, is that I learned through the Mayor’s Institute for City Design is, something that has helped us to revitalize the original heart of our city. It was an area that was languishing. There was very little business there. It was downtown.

Yeah. Our downtown. Right. And we’ve been able to enliven that area again to help bring small businesses, create jobs, create more revenue.

David Martin: Was it a mill town?

Elise Partin: Yes. Yeah.

David Martin: And all those are gone, right? Because that was South Carolina’s kind of bread and butter industry. Exactly. Was was, linen mills, clothing mills. Yeah, all that sort of stuff.

Elise Partin: Exactly.

David Martin: Yeah. And have you made use of some of those old mill buildings?

Elise Partin: Well, we really didn’t have many of those things left. They had been gone for a very long time, but we did just recently get a brownfields grant, which is a huge deal that is very hard to get. And we’re looking forward.

David Martin: So brownfield is thank you. It’s an, it’s, a designation that allows you to repurpose, old factory floors. That kind of thing?

Elise Partin: Yes. So these are these are the places that we might consider blight in our cities. Sometimes they’re there. Very often they are sites that were are environmentally contaminated and so they’re just sitting there languishing that environmental. The brownfields grant provides us an opportunity to help enliven those, places that have been vacant for so long.

David Martin: And what are you doing with those?

Elise Partin: We’re just getting off the ground with it. And moving forward.

David Martin: With our plans in place.

Elise Partin: Yeah. So we’re we’re working with the building owners so they know what that can do for them and how it can help them to maybe sell that property, whereas they couldn’t get buyers before because of the environmental issues or, you know, help them in other ways so that we can bring life.

David Martin: Are you turning in? Are you. Is there going to be entertainment space or housing space or retail space, or have you decided even. Are you are you even that far in the planning yet?

Elise Partin: Yeah. So these are all privately owned sites that, the owners will get to decide what they want to do with it. But this is a tool that will help them, to have some funding that they didn’t have before or to be able to get a buyer that was, you know, maybe saying they were willing to look at that.

This will help them to have buyers look at those properties.

David Martin: Okay. So brownfield, that’s that’s certainly a step forward. Yes. Give me some more good government.

Elise Partin: Yes. So, we have some of the lowest taxes and fees in the entire region, and yet with the highest quality of life. And that’s a really tight rope to walk. But we’ve done it very well for a very long time. It meant when I first came in, we had half of our public safety fleet of cars with over 100,000 miles on them or more.

So we’d have two officers on the way to a call, and one of them would radio in and say, I’m out. My car died. Well that’s inexcusable. First of all, that’s not us taking care of our municipal responsibilities. No, but it’s also a waste of taxpayer money. Because if you’re trying to put money into an engine of 100,000 mile engine, it’s not good money spent now.

David Martin: So you’re throwing good money after bad.

Elise Partin: Exactly. So we we have started to be more proactive about those things many years ago to, to look at how can we replenish cars more wisely and to get in front of those costs so that we can do a better and more responsible job for our citizens?

David Martin: And how do you respond to the people who are fighting you on on this?

Elise Partin: This silence? I think you hear silence.

David Martin: Yes, I do.

Elise Partin: You know, I, I don’t know, other than I’m just disappointed. But our citizens get it, our citizens want it, and they care. And I hope that there’s a way that that we can find those things that we do agree on and use that as those opportunities to talk about these things where there have been missteps.

David Martin: What do you what do you hear from the people in the street when you go to the grocery store where you’re at? You know, coffee shops?

Elise Partin: Disappointment. Anger, disappointment. Yeah.

David Martin: And I, I ask this once already, but I want to ask it again. You’re the mayor, you know, the buck stops with you in your. In. Casey? Yes. How do you keep going forward? How do you keep moving forward? How do you keep. Because you have to have a positive attitude. Yes. At least on display. How do you do that?

Elise Partin: And I do have a positive attitude. Yes. I mean, we have an absolutely amazing rally now. We have an absolutely amazing city. But I am only one vote. Yeah, so I can only do so much with one vote. If the majority votes are something else, then I, I, I can use my voice to make sure that people understand what matters and what’s good.

But ultimately, you know, there’s only so much I can do in that realm, but I can continue to move things forward. And there’s there’s a lot of great things going on in our city that that our citizens are involved in and are moving forward, to make things better in our city.

David Martin: And you brought a lot of people into the city, you said.

Elise Partin: Yes.

David Martin: Okay, good. So it’s working out a little bit.

Elise Partin: Yes, absolutely. You know.

David Martin: You said you were a brownfield project. Is there any other redevelopment going on?

Elise Partin: Yes. We have, we have just brought in, a branch of the Luxton Medical Hospital has come to our city. Which is an important revitalization. We had, the only fortune 500 company in our in our region was in our city. They since have been bought out by another company, but we do have some corridors that are still in the process of being developed.

We also have the 12,000 year History Park, which is a really exciting place that, the National Park Service has been involved in because of its historical significance. So I our city was born out of the banks of the Congaree River, and and there’s proof of that habitation from 12,000 years ago. There’s also proof of Civil war and Revolutionary War battle, fought in this one square mile.

So it’s very historically and culturally. And also environmentally significant. So it’s nice that we’re going to be able to have a visitor center to tell those stories.

David Martin: Well, a visitor center to tell the stories, history stories are always interesting, I’d say.

Elise Partin: I think, yes.

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Dot org slash podcasts. So we have a good government show questionnaire. We always start off the hardest question. First, define what good government is.

Elise Partin: Good government is where citizens don’t have to come to council meetings because they have trust in what’s going on, because they get communicated to all the time. You know, I told you my, my, my mentors, Mayor Riley, the mayor, long time mayor of Charleston, South Carolina, and a former president of the U.S. Conference of Mayors. But he taught me that disaster.

Me, too. Where you are, disaster meets you where you are. Well, hopefully you don’t have disaster. Okay. But but if if you do this, the things that make great life, meaning we are connected as a community, that we know our neighbors, all of those things that we spend so much time before Covid putting in place. So we were more connected.

Those things matter because then we’re living life better and hopefully disaster never comes. But if it does, we’re more connected and we we, we can be more resilient because of it.

David Martin: Be prepared is sure to what you’re saying.

Elise Partin: Yeah, we’ll be prepared. But but live lives connected. Live in ways that that you enjoy and that you’re proud of. And that means that you’re actually more prepared.

David Martin: If people are frustrated with government, with you or your administration, what should they do?

Elise Partin: Communicate. Come talk to us. Ask us questions saying, I don’t understand this and I didn’t like this. What? What’s going on? Can you help me to understand? Asking those questions is a great thing to do because I’m happy to talk to anybody and help them to understand what’s what, how these things work, what’s what’s the reality of what’s going on.

You know, that that connection really matters.

David Martin: 16 years as mayor, did you have a, role in city government for that? No. So you ran right into mayor, correct? First up. Yes. What made you run for mayor and what more importantly, I guess, you know, given the the fact that you do not have a smooth relationship with some of the people in government who are working with you, why do you stay?

Elise Partin: Well, so you know, I, I told you that, my mother worked for Mayor Riley. Also, when I was growing up, I, I knew that things like parks and sidewalks didn’t just happen, that somebody had to think those things through. I love municipal government. I love what happens in cities. It is beautiful. And you can touch it and see it and feel it and know that you’re making a difference for people because they have low taxes and fees, because they feel safe.

All of those things matter. They have parks to walk. Do they have sidewalks? They have an amazing riverwalk, which we have all that matters. Tough times right now. I’ve worked with so many different councils in my tenure. Sure. Tough times right now is is what right now is, but that isn’t. I didn’t give in just because I thought it was going to be easy.

I got in to serve my community. And, in 2019, the Greater Columbia Chamber of Commerce recognized me as the public servant of the year. That’s my that’s what I’m doing. That’s what I care about. That’s that’s why I’m here. I kind of see it as standing in the gap, you know, being there to stand up for integrity and for communication and, a way creating more ways for our citizens to be involved and have a voice.

David Martin: You came out of nowhere to run for mayor. What were you doing before that? And did you see yourself at some point running for mayor or being in public service?

Elise Partin: Well, my husband tells me that, he got introduced to me, by somebody who said she’s going to be mayor one day. Okay. I don’t remember that, but he has the better memory, so I’ll. I trust him on that. But I do the same things now that I did before. So our kids were two and three when I first became mayor.

So I raised our kids. I continue to raise our kids. And I, work at the university. I’m a, I’m a faculty with the University of South Carolina. I’m also faculty with the Buckley School of Public Speaking, which is, in Camden, South Carolina, a little bit further away from us. But I continue to do those things.

David Martin: Okay. Did you see yourself running for office as a, as a I mean, you know, other than your introduction where you present your high school class?

Elise Partin: No, no, I mean, I was involved, when I was in high school, but I didn’t know what Robert’s Rules of Order was. I just there was an issue that happened in our city, that, some property got annexed into our city before I became mayor. And that had made a bunch of us stand up and say we don’t understand what’s going on.

That doesn’t seem like a good decision. And come to find out, there was no municipal review done on the pros and cons of that decision. And so I stood up and eventually ended up running for mayor.

David Martin: I did.

Elise Partin: Yes.

David Martin: Okay. All right. 16 years in, what would you like people to know about government that you now know because you’re a government insider?

Elise Partin: Well, I think the things I knew before, which is that what happens in our cities is really important. It’s where we live. Do we feel safe in KC? Our response time from our police in an emergency is like three minutes. That is a relief, because if somebody ever ends up in distress, to know that help is going to be there almost instantaneously is really remarkable.

And that’s thanks to our great, police team. We also have our fire department. We’ve done some work to be proactive. Here’s another good example of what happens when you don’t take care of your municipal responsibilities. If we don’t have the right fire trucks and things like that, we end up costing our citizens more money because the insurance that you pay on your home is based on something called an ISO rating.

And that’s where insurance companies look and say, well, how quickly would a fire department get to your house if it was, on fire? Are there hydrants nearby? All of those things we’ve invested in all of that so that we have a really good is a rating and our citizens pay less than their home insurance. There’s so much that we do at the municipal level that affects our quality of life, including our parks, and being able to enjoy our gorgeous Riverwalk, to be safe, to be active in and get out in our city.

David Martin: What’s the best part of the job?

Elise Partin: The people. Yeah, just our citizens, our small businesses, you know, the the small businesses that come and want to locate in our city because they see something unique that they want to be a part of. I mean, that’s that’s what’s happened in the original downtown. The original heart of our city is all these small businesses. So what we are showing to them the vision of what was possible, and they wanted to be a part of it.

David Martin: So I’ve never been to Casey. If I were to show up and meet up. Yes. Where would you take me? Wherever we go. What is what is the quintessential Casey, dinner or lunch?

Elise Partin: Well, how long do you have? You guys are so many, but, you know, a piecewise coffee shop is a local coffee shop. The art, gallery right next door is state of the art gallery and pottery studio. If you have time, we spend some time with the pottery wheel. Also across the street for lunch is Trini Lime Caribbean Cafe.

All of that is right there at a trailhead for the Casey Riverwalk, where you can enjoy 20 miles of Riverwalk Trail. That’s absolutely stunning. You’ll see birds and other critters that we don’t very often get to see. Many spaces, but that that land that’s protected means that you get to enjoy hearing the sound of the barred owl, which is one of the most majestic sounds ever.

But we have so many other great, restaurants Duke’s Pad Thai tea pods, you name, and I can’t wait.

David Martin: I haven’t heard barbecue yet.

Elise Partin: No, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we’ll get there. Maybe a little on the border, actually, of our city, but, Yes. We’ve got, an amazing array of international businesses in our city, which is really phenomenal for a city our size. There’s also an escape room, which is super fun to go and figure out, how to get out of the room and do those puzzles.

David Martin: What do you do for fun? You you, probably need, some downtime. What do you.

Elise Partin: Yeah, yeah. So I enjoy being on our Riverwalk. I love that, I love being with my family, and, Just, you know, getting to enjoy being together, so it’s remarkable.

David Martin: This is a good government show, and we always try to bring it back to good government. Tell me a good government project you’ve been and managed to implement in the last 16 years that you’re really proud of?

Elise Partin: Well, that would be the revitalization of the heart of our city. That area was languishing. And so if we can do those things where we can bring more businesses in, then we actually take the burden off of our citizens to have to, just rely on property tax. So having those, those extra businesses means we’re diversifying where those taxes come from, that we used to provide police and fire and all of those different things.

But it also means we have a great place that we can meet up for coffee. That means we have a great place that we can go and get lunch or dinner. We’ve got, you know, more vibrancy in our community. That includes a lot of art projects that we’ve done. So we have so many murals that have gone up in our city.

You know, the US covers of mayor’s talks about how art is an economic development engine. It creates that sense of place, and people want to go take their picture in front of those murals because they’re so fun, they’re so vibrant, and they bring joy to us. Those are the things that we remember when we travel, when we visit a place, or when we live somewhere.

So those types of things, that’s the hard, tangible things on the soft side, some of my favorite things are that citizens don’t have to know me to get things done. In our city. This isn’t about who you know this is about, and a government that is accessible for them to be able to get the resources they need to be able to know what’s going on in their city, and to be able to be involved in it, whether they want to get involved in one of our boards or commissions, or they want to use their voice to say, hey, I have a question about this.

They have ways they can do that. And that’s what we’re supposed to do to create good government.

David Martin: A tall order, but you’re getting it done.

Elise Partin: Is being done. It’s been done. Yes.

David Martin: Elise. Partin. The mayor of Cayce, South Carolina. Good luck. Thank you. Good luck in continuing to deliver good government. Yes. It’s a pleasure to meet you. Thanks for stopping by.

Elise Partin: You do? Thanks, Dave.

David Martin: I want to hear more about good government. Check out another show I host leading Iowa. Good government in Iowa cities. I host the show with Brad Cavanaugh, mayor of Dubuque, Iowa, and the immediate past president of the Iowa League of Cities. Together, we talk to leaders in Iowa cities. We talk about what works and what good government looks like in Iowa.

Join us right here. We listening now that’s leading Iowa. Good government in Iowa. Cities. Well quite a lot going on in Casey, South Carolina and Marilla’s part and certainly has her work cut out for her. She said a few things that stood out to me. One was, she said when she talks with the people, she wants to talk about the things that they do agree on, she said, you start the work from that point.

When asked her how she could keep going with, you know what’s going on there, she said, well, I continue to move things forward. That means I hope, not getting stuck in the mud with the issues that don’t move. Good government forward. And she said it’s important to stay connected with your citizens. I should, and it was inspiring to hear her say, quote, I love municipal government.

I love what’s happening in cities. Good luck, Mayor Partin. There’s a lot happening in your city, but when you listen to mayor, it sounds like good government is her priority. And we like that here in the Good Government show. Well, that’s our show. Thanks for listening. Please like us and share this with your friends and reviews right here.

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